37 ips

[Almarktool]

Anyone know much about it, seems like it has been out for almost 2years and still not alot of info on them, anyone know how many have been sold ?
How well they handle the seas?
I know they look different because they sit higher in the
water to make room for the drives, is there room for more
fuel 400 seems on the low side to me
Would you buy one ?

[witeagle]

when i visited the Luhrs plant - there were 3 being built.

Word was a lot were being sent overseas.

I wouldn't buy one until they have a changeover to Zues drives...

[witeagle]

Mark,

If you get a 37, you're going to need a bigger slip!

[Almarktool]

Justin,

I hear yah, but not sure if the Zeus drives fit in smaller boats, I see Viking is putting it in there new 42 open,
but Luhrs, Rampage, Albermarle are all using the IPS
drives in there 34 to 38 foot boats, I wonder Cat/Zeus or Cummins/Zeus make a small enough setup for these boats,
If they put the Zeus in the new Luhrs 34 then they should
be able to get it in the 37

[Almarktool]

Bigger Slip ??
yeah but hell at 100.00 a foot then it will only cost me
600.00 a year more for a bigger boat, since there is no pulpit on the 37 i will be saving money overall LOL

[irishrogue]

Wit,

did u visit millville? when were you there? i m curious where they are on the new 34 open to replace our venerable 320 open....

when i visited the Luhrs plant - there were 3 being built.

Word was a lot were being sent overseas.

I wouldn't buy one until they have a changeover to Zues drives...

[irishrogue]

i would go zeus or ips in a heartbeat...both have had their issues already. it seems like there are mor ips installs out there since volvo got to market more quickly....but zeus pairing up with bigger motors may help them in larger boats since not many bigger boats will use triple IPS due to cost, complexity etc....That said, IPS will likely be the standard in under 40 feet....and there is alot more volume in sub-40 feet.....

[Almarktool]

Sean,

When I spoke to Luhrs they were going to redo the 28 and hopefully have it ready for the fall, and they are hoping to have the 34 ips/straight shaft boat ready for miami, I was
going to go for the 34ips, and I still might, but since i am in the Raritan Bay and have a 4 hour run to the canyons, it might not make much sense for me to go from 28 to 34, just to find out that might as well of got the 37 since it can handle the bigger waves, but the 37 only holds 400 in fuel, the old 38open held 563 or so, not sure if there is room in any of there boats for more fuel, 400 = 375 usualble on a good day

[irishrogue]

yeah 400 is barely enough even with 20% savings going IPS vs inboards....Ocean 37 bill only has 400 and so does the CC 35...larger inboards they have an even shorter range....sometimes I think builders "forget" that we are running these boats 3-4 hrs to the fishing grounds, trolling for 8hrs, chunking overnight, running to another canyon and then ruynning 3-4 hrs home....

Albe 36 535gals. Henriques 38 415 std but can add tankage as an option...

[irishrogue]

Why not find an older 38/40 open? i always liked those boats as much as our 32 open....

our 32 carries 340gals. about 300-315 useable. fully loaded we average 1 nmpg including running/trolling w/genset unless it is really nasty....a solid 300mi range is nice.

Sean,

When I spoke to Luhrs they were going to redo the 28 and hopefully have it ready for the fall, and they are hoping to have the 34 ips/straight shaft boat ready for miami, I was
going to go for the 34ips, and I still might, but since i am in the Raritan Bay and have a 4 hour run to the canyons, it might not make much sense for me to go from 28 to 34, just to find out that might as well of got the 37 since it can handle the bigger waves, but the 37 only holds 400 in fuel, the old 38open held 563 or so, not sure if there is room in any of there boats for more fuel, 400 = 375 usualble on a good day

[Almarktool]

I unfort prefer to buy new boats than used one,
I do like the older 38 as well, but the DD used to be pigs also when it came to fuel, I like the Luhrs for the value you get in a boat, and for the amount of time we get to use it
up here in NJ, maybe they will have a 37ips at the AC boat show next week, and i can find out about more fuel, other wise it will be 40mph and triple outboards on the 37 LOL get to the canoyn in 2.5 hours and burn 150gallons of fuel

[irishrogue]

i hear you.....although new boat prices are just insane even in this economy...

we almost bought a used 38 open a few years ago that had been factory modified with cat 6196 at 660hp and additional fuel....ran like a beast....had a 28kt cruise instead of 22-24kts. otherwise the 38s were a bit underpowered with 420 cats and older DDs...the last 40s had yanmar 465s i think...

the AC boat show has really gone down hill in recent years....

i would love to run the 37 with trips on a nice day.....

I unfort prefer to buy new boats than used one,
I do like the older 38 as well, but the DD used to be pigs also when it came to fuel, I like the Luhrs for the value you get in a boat, and for the amount of time we get to use it
up here in NJ, maybe they will have a 37ips at the AC boat show next week, and i can find out about more fuel, other wise it will be 40mph and triple outboards on the 37 LOL get to the canoyn in 2.5 hours and burn 150gallons of fuel

[witeagle]

Bigger Slip ??
yeah but hell at 100.00 a foot then it will only cost me
600.00 a year more for a bigger boat, since there is no pulpit on the 37 i will be saving money overall LOL

Luhrs will add a pulpit for you if you request it.. I asked them when I was looking at an almost completed model at the factory.

btw - My Marina charges me for the named length at 32 feet.

[witeagle]

Wit,

did u visit millville? when were you there? i m curious where they are on the new 34 open to replace our venerable 320 open....


I was at the Millville plant a few months ago - There wasn't any discussion on the 34, mostly the 37, and that the 28 mold was coming up which is now the new 30.

[witeagle]

Sean,

When I spoke to Luhrs they were going to redo the 28 and hopefully have it ready for the fall, and they are hoping to have the 34 ips/straight shaft boat ready for miami, I was
going to go for the 34ips, and I still might, but since i am in the Raritan Bay and have a 4 hour run to the canyons, it might not make much sense for me to go from 28 to 34, just to find out that might as well of got the 37 since it can handle the bigger waves, but the 37 only holds 400 in fuel, the old 38open held 563 or so, not sure if there is room in any of there boats for more fuel, 400 = 375 usualble on a good day


From what I understand about IPS and ZUES is you need to think 30% savings in fuel. The IPS and ZUES design is supposed to allow you to run a boat with less HP and 30% better fuel savings.

For example, the Cabo 40 can come with 600HP Zues or a number of 715 to 800 hp engines from Cat, Cummins, Yanmar or MAN.

The design of the POD drives are also supposed to have the props parrellel to the hull, shafts put the props at and angle to the hull, which is a less efficent design.

[irishrogue]

Agreed.... Volvo is claiming 25-35% fuel reduction at cruise....although all of their examples pit set ups with closer hp ranges against one another. if you were willing to match cruise and top speeds you could drop IPS hp considerably as Cabo apparently is doing and probably get even better efficiency and range. Cabo claims the 600hp cummins w/zeus matches the speeds of the 715hp c12s likely with much better efficiency....

[Almarktool]

I personally think one of the neat things with the pods
is the sky hook, I hate busting out the anchor and playing
around trying to get over the perfect spot on a wreck, hell
most of the time i just drift over the area then go back and drift again,
since diesels like to run and not do the start stop thing all the time, i imagine that since they only burn like 1 gallon per hour at idle, you could just leave them on in the canyons and turn on the skyhook, and not have to worry about bringing 1500ft of line or trying to tie up to some pissed off guys lobster pot

[witeagle]

Don't tie up to a lobster pot - was at the canyon a few years ago on a charter and heard a mayday call from a recreational tuna guy who was tied to a pot when the lobster boat showed up. The lobster boat rammed him and took off a good chunk of the bow - luckily above the water line so he wouldn't sink right away.

I do agree with you that skyhook is a big bonus of the pod designs and now some of the I/O's.

[Almarktool]

interesting, searay has the zeus 380hp in there 38 sundancer, so i guess perhaps maybe Luhrs would put the Zeus in the 37 as an option if you wanted to ?

[irishrogue]

nope, not that easy. the hull needs to be designed for IPS or Zeus the IPS needs a reinforced pad that is recessed and the zeus needs a reinforced recessed pocket of sorts for the drive and trim tab....for production boats it will most certainly be one or the other....

interesting, searay has the zeus 380hp in there 38 sundancer, so i guess perhaps maybe Luhrs would put the Zeus in the 37 as an option if you wanted to ?

[witeagle]

I was in Virginia a few weeks ago and got to look at a custom builder's 37' express sport fisher that was in the middle of a build. It was slotted for a Cummins / Zues package with QSD5.9's. The engine is 1350 lbs, just lighter than the CATs that are in my 32 Open

The Zues drive system also has different shaft options between the engine and the pod, the smallest shaft being just over 10" per Cummin's spec sheets. This means they should be able to put the QSD5.9 with a pod using a 10" shaft in a boat as small as maybe 32 or 34 feet.

[irishrogue]

crown marine?


I was in Virginia a few weeks ago and got to look at a custom builder's 37' express sport fisher that was in the middle of a build. It was slotted for a Cummins / Zues package with QSD5.9's. The engine is 1350 lbs, just lighter than the CATs that are in my 32 Open

The Zues drive system also has different shaft options between the engine and the pod, the smallest shaft being just over 10" per Cummin's spec sheets. This means they should be able to put the QSD5.9 with a pod using a 10" shaft in a boat as small as maybe 32 or 34 feet.

[flbluerunner]

I have the 38 with IPS.
I like the fact that if I have a problem I call Volvo and they fix it. If you have the Zues and some other power plant who do you call and who provides the warranty or service if you are not sure where the problem is? Will the power plant manufacturer take care of the drives?
400 gallons should give you 400 nautical miles, I am running 28 to 29 knots and burning 30 GPH.
I have driven both systems and so far like the responsiveness of the IPS.

[witeagle]

crown marine?

no - The owner's last name is Purdue. I tried to find one of his boats online and was not successful. When I met him I asked if he had a web site, which he didn't

I saw pictures of the previous boats, saw the 35 completed and 37 in progress.

wish I had more to share

[CaptnJack]

I have a friend at Spencer Yacht and they are using the Volvo on there 40 plus boats with unbelievable fuel economy, however I too like the Zues design better,..... time will tell

Crown Marine? you mean Bubby in Deltaville

[CaptainJR]

Regarding a bigger slip, Luhrs is using the same hulls on the 37's as my 35 Convertible. Mine is 38'10" LOA (with pulpit) and 14'6" beam. The 37 is spec'ed at 38'2" LOA (no pulpit) and 14'6" beam. Other specs (water capacity, fuel, etc) are the same. I can tell you that my hull rocks solid and squashes waves.

Regarding IPS vs Zeus, someone told me at the Lauderdale Boat Show that the new pod drives require lower unit oil change, and that IPS requires haul out to do so while Zeus can be done in water from engine room. Any truth to this?

[flbluerunner]

Yes the boat needs to be hauled to change the pod oil properly. It is a 400 hour service.
Don't know about Zues on the haul out.

[Almarktool]

I have the 38 with IPS.
I like the fact that if I have a problem I call Volvo and they fix it. If you have the Zues and some other power plant who do you call and who provides the warranty or service if you are not sure where the problem is? Will the power plant manufacturer take care of the drives?
400 gallons should give you 400 nautical miles, I am running 28 to 29 knots and burning 30 GPH.
I have driven both systems and so far like the responsiveness of the IPS.

i come up with 364 mile range if all 400 is useable, 30gph / 400 = 13 hrs of running x 28 knots = 364mile range

now is your 28 really 28 or more like a 26 average and as high as 28 at times ?

[flbluerunner]

I cruise at a constant 28 to 29 knts in reasonable seas.

I am very pleased with the performance of the IPS.

My 1996 cruises at 22 to 23 knts and burns 34 GPH with Cat 420 HP motors, quite an improvement.